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Roronoa Zoro vs Yajirobe
Topic Started: Aug 4 2014, 02:43 PM (1,409 Views)
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Does Zoro ever reach Yajirobe's level? Yajirobe when he first meets Goku, that is.
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Even if Zoro has three swords, and he can launch shock waves, he wouldn't hurt Yajirobe with it. The jumping feat is quantifiable. We just need to find Goku's height and weight. The distance he traveled is pretty far. The announcer could see Goku smaller than a fly, so Goku is about to disappear from his sight. A human can see things up to several kilometers.

That Goku is pathetic compared to the Goku who fought Yajirobe and had quite a hard time.
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Aug 5 2014, 02:18 PM
Even if Zoro has three swords, and he can launch shock waves, he wouldn't hurt Yajirobe with it. The jumping feat is quantifiable. We just need to find Goku's height and weight. The distance he traveled is pretty far. The announcer could see Goku smaller than a fly, so Goku is about to disappear from his sight. A human can see things up to several kilometers.

That Goku is pathetic compared to the Goku who fought Yajirobe and had quite a hard time.
It's not because in the series they never really display the kind of physical strength needed to require that.

Does it even say Troposphere anyway?


And the shockwaves would they're basically energy blasts, they cut through rock, steel, most things easily. Lord knows what current Zoro can do his strength will no doubt be amped up considerably compared to where I am.
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So to anyone who thinks Zoro would destroy Yajirobe, how do you see him doing against not hungry Goku from that point?
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Aug 5 2014, 02:45 PM
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Even if Zoro has three swords, and he can launch shock waves, he wouldn't hurt Yajirobe with it. The jumping feat is quantifiable. We just need to find Goku's height and weight. The distance he traveled is pretty far. The announcer could see Goku smaller than a fly, so Goku is about to disappear from his sight. A human can see things up to several kilometers.

That Goku is pathetic compared to the Goku who fought Yajirobe and had quite a hard time.
It's not because in the series they never really display the kind of physical strength needed to require that.

Does it even say Troposphere anyway?


And the shockwaves would they're basically energy blasts, they cut through rock, steel, most things easily. Lord knows what current Zoro can do his strength will no doubt be amped up considerably compared to where I am.
No, but the troposphere starts from lower than two kilometers and above, and Goku could have gone even higher if he wanted to.

Yajirobe is most likely as strong as Master Roshi, as Goku had trouble fighting him, and Goku wasn't even hungry at the time. He ate Yajirobe's food. Yajirobe wasn't going for the kill too.

Current Zoro is about Yajirobe's level, although it's vague how will he win if he could. If he used a new technique, I bet it could take Yajirobe out, but Yajirobe has an edge in strength, speed, and probably durability. I'm unsure of the durability part because of Zoro's enhanced endurance.
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Should people really be using any calculations for DB? I don't buy it.
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The problem with calcs in DB is cinematic time and artistic Liscence. We know how big a T-Rex is, but what Goku and Trunks pick up and punch out throughout DB and DBZ, those things look like they'd weigh sixty tons rather than the much more normal 6 tons.
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Im pretty sure things get exaggerated for entertainment purposes.
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Calcs aside, Zoro takes this easy. He has an advantage in every department apart from durability; skills, speed, strength.

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Calcs aside, Zoro takes this easy. He has an advantage in every department apart from durability; skills, speed, strength.
I know this will get us nowhere, but can you list me the reasons why Zoro wins so I can understand? I may be asking too much, but I want it off you, if possible of course. Not like I'm going to force you.
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Main reasons being all the feats you tend to list are based off assumptions and calcs (and sometimes metaphors and hyperbole). If we put those aside Zoro has higher physical strength after doing single finger pushups, around the same speed dodging bullets (although this could actually be argued the other way, I'll give you that), and clearly much better skill.

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Main reasons being all the feats you tend to list are based off assumptions and calcs (and sometimes metaphors and hyperbole). If we put those aside Zoro has higher physical strength after doing single finger pushups, around the same speed dodging bullets (although this could actually be argued the other way, I'll give you that), and clearly much better skill.
You cannot list Goku pushing a gigantic boulder a few inches, then a few months later jumping to the troposphere a metaphor. Yajirobe would make this Goku a joke. Here's a chain.

Post-22nd TB Goku > 22nd TB Goku > 22nd TB Tien > Yajirobe ~ 22nd TB Master Roshi > Tambourine > 22nd TB Krillin > 22nd TB Yamcha > Cymbal > post-Karin Goku >> Tao Pai Pai >>> post-21st TB Goku > 22nd TB Master Roshi >~ 21st TB Goku > General Blue.

You can even say that Yajirobe is probably close to Tien.

Current Zoro is multi-city block+ via calculations. We wouldn't like to go that way, so he doesn't have much to do.

Speed wise, Yajirobe is most likely superior. Master Roshi, while being as strong as he is during the 21st TB, maybe even weaker, caught a full clip of ammo from a submachine gun at point blank range. There's something too. Tao Pai Pai said that he will be back in 30 minutes. That means he will go there, over 2,300 km, reach there, kill Goku, retrieve the Dragon Ball, and go back to the RRA basement. That Tao is a joke to this Yajirobe.

All in all, Yajirobe wins.
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Speed wise, Yajirobe is most likely superior. Master Roshi, while being as strong as he is during the 21st TB, maybe even weaker, caught a full clip of ammo from a submachine gun at point blank range. There's something too. Tao Pai Pai said that he will be back in 30 minutes. That means he will go there, over 2,300 km, reach there, kill Goku, retrieve the Dragon Ball, and go back to the RRA basement. That Tao is a joke to this Yajirobe.

All in all, Yajirobe wins.
Again power and speed aren't linearly increased or related to PL.

Goku and Krillin at the start of the series were pretty much the same, except Krillin was slightly stronger.
And yet clearly he had better durability and physical strength, either due to main character power or Saiyan heritage.

Characters that bulk up increase their PL massive amounts but get slower so PL is nothing to go by, just because he's tough doesn't mean Yajirobe is fast.


If we're going to take statements literal then Zoro dodges Kuma's blasts that he states to be near the speed of light.
(though I don't read the manga Zoro dodging could be filler, someone clarify)

He's definitely not slow anyway.


Yajirobe has nothing on his projectiles too so he can fight at range and most likely has way more stamina so Yajirobe gets no break.

Also for durability an exhausted and beat up Zoro survives a massive shock wave attack and afterwards is near death,
Then he gets all the pain and damage Luffy suffered from his previous fight transferred to him which the guy who does it says should definitely kill him, a tiny amount of the pain nearly cripples him.
But he takes it all and is left standing, blood absolutely everywhere.
Like he'd have maybe a pint of blood left, if that...

And again this is only half way through.
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